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  • #91313
    Anonymous
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    Thanks Kiz,

    My husband walked in when I was trying out the hand positions when reading this and he looked like I had lost the plot 😀
    I totally understand this. Is it too soon to start for Molly?  I just can’t wait!  and would liver be the high reward treat or is there an even higher one?

    #91314
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    ;D ;D

    it is never too soon to start the stop – on a par with the recall it is the most likely behaviour to breakdown and the training has to be re-enforced through-out life.  i start mine off at 16 weeeks when they have the basic sit, down, stay etc fluent to 70% and the recall to 75% – i don’t take it outside until the recall and sit/stay is really fluent so it is one of those that is on going through out the whole training period.  gun dogs and herders need it not just for emergency but to get them to stop long enough to see/hear a change in direction cue.  it always fascinates me that people don’t consider this as important as a recall and it is rarely taught in the training clubs but whenyou got a really high driven dog like gunner for instance, then it is a life saver – the other week gunner and his mum were walking along the footpath by the railway line just as she realised that there was a hole in the fence gunner flushed a bird – the stop possibly saved his life one of many examples of dog’s needing this cue that i know of.

    #91315
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Just had a little go and she seems interested and I seem to get the click just right, so hopefully we can tackle this one 😉

    #91316
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    this is a long hard one – so 5 mins at a time is enough, but good for you to start right the way ;D

    #91317
    baby b
    Member

    Brilliant, will be starting this one ASAP. I’ve been wondering how to do it for a while but was scared to experiment in case I got it wrong. I’m so glad I joined this board. Thank you so much Kiz for all the help you give us lot. Your a star.

    #91318
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    ;D u welcome :-*

    #91319
    poodle
    Member

    i have been trying to teach emergency stop/sit for some time.  firsly i make him sit and wait, then call him and try to make him stop at distance.  he can do it in the house, but when we try it during the walk, he changes his pace from run to walk, but he continues to walk quite a bit before he stops ans sits.  how can i improve his performance? 

    #91320
    Anonymous
    Guest

    This just reminded me, last summer while walking over the forest with Trixie (well i was woddling because preggers) We walked across a field next to some railway lines which were fenced off and next to them is a fallen down tree which you can sit on. Attached to it was a laminate letter telling the story of how a beautiful doggie chased a squirral through a gap in the fence and onto the railway lines. It was so sad to read. This cue is really really important and I have been doing short sessions with both of mine. 🙂

    #91321
    Lisa33
    Member

    Is calling DOWN the same thing? When I want mine to stop where they are I call Down and they stay where they are until I go up to them to praise or put them on the lead.  🙂

    #91322
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    [quote author=poodle link=topic=2699.msg26468#msg26468 date=1143241864]
    i have been trying to teach emergency stop/sit for some time.  firsly i make him sit and wait, then call him and try to make him stop at distance.  he can do it in the house, but when we try it during the walk, he changes his pace from run to walk, but he continues to walk quite a bit before he stops ans sits.  how can i improve his performance? 
    [/quote]

    this is classic – so let me try and explain, bearing in mind that i have been trying to catch up all day and the arthritis in my fingers having been around wet dogs for a week is being a bugger ;D

    each behaviour is individual  – that is why the clicker works so well because we now understand this, the traditional training methods move things on from a humans point of view but not from a canines point of view.
    so;
    sit – 1 behaviour, wait – another, recall another, stop another, sit another etc etc  – at what point are you rewarding him and for which behaviour, from his point of view, is the reward for?.  what you have to do is get each behaviour firm, fluent and reliable at each stage and at each criteria – then and only then can you chain them up – teach the stop the way i have said – that way you are only working on the one behaviour and it is that that is being rewarded – when it is fluent at that level then test it by doing a recall (assuming you have a fluent recall) and introducing the stop when the dog is on the run. you don’t say what your cue is – but all you need for a good stop is a whistle as explained above.

    #91323
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    [quote author=Lisa33 link=topic=2699.msg26521#msg26521 date=1143288593]
    Is calling DOWN the same thing? When I want mine to stop where they are I call Down and they stay where they are until I go up to them to praise or put them on the lead.  🙂
    [/quote]

    thats fine as long as they can hear you — i would put it on whistle too – new cue old cue is the rule – so it is blow then yell down until they have transfered it over – don’t worry – you wont lose the verbal as long as you re-enforce both periodically.

    #91324
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Molly is doing well with the stop, we are taking it slow though as not to rush things. In the meantime I am getting recall and down on whistle cue. Is three blasts for recall ok and a short one blast for down ???

    They are really good and Trixie is even better on whistle cues than Molly. It is 100% at criteria 1 now and was thinking of moving on to criteria 2 but will this interfere or confuse the stop learning ???

    #91325
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    what are you using for the stop cue – 3 blasts is the general recall cue.

    if it 100% move it on – it wont interfere with learning depending on what your cue is for the stop

    #91326
    Anonymous
    Guest

    1 long blast could this confuse with the 1 short blast for the down ???

    #91327
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    mmmm – i just knew you was going to say that.  it depends on the intelligence and the willingness to learn and the overall focus of the dog – as molly has taken to it all so well it wouldn’t suprise me to hear she has no problem – i wouldn’t risk mixing them on the same day until you are sure they are individually fluent and reliable.  brose can certainly do that and so does ami but i have to use a different whistle for each with her – if you want to give it a go  i can send you an old horn whistle that is dual toned – very old fashioned, have a few left from dads stock not sure if you can get them now but they good for this sort of thing and that is what i use with ami lou – if it fails no probs, just back up a criteria and re cue.

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