I’m about to give up

Fly Bev out  🙂

Sorry to hear, but erm, the fact that she is still working on the pulling, after stepping on toes, does that not make her think its NOT working, and how do you stop on a dogs toes when its pulling ahead of you  :-\

Is very sad … there are naiive / inexperienced people out there who will read that and think that that must be the right way to do it – cause they saw it in print

That’s why this place is so valuable… showing another way to do it

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So, that’s that. Apparently I’m all alone in using positive training methods for gundogs. This is really starting to make me feel ill.

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well i didn’t think people trained gundogs using positive methods in this country – hence why i never even attempted to find a gundog club – the vids i bought on training – not bad, but too much jerking on lead etc for my liking and pushing bums down etc (and the spaniel training basic one  :-X :-X :-X – not that i have a spaniel but i was interested – that ruddy man wants shooting  >:D )…. and heard plenty on choke collars and prong collars – and saw the working gundog demo at the local country fair by the man who did the local gundog training  :'( :'( >:D

lab ran in on dummy ‘he’s just being enthusiastic so i’m not going to be harsh on him’ picked him  up by neck\head and carried him back to where he was sat…. then doing spaniel demo with springer… had labs in trailer in field – spaniel started running round at edges of fence trying to get into crowd instead of stay in field with ‘trainer’ (looked like trying to escape to me) – ‘oh spaniels are stupid’ – then he working it in demo – young dog – then it started literally throwing itself at bars of cage at back of trailer to try to get back with other dogs.  :'( :'( i walked off at that point – couldn’t bear to watch any more.

did some very brief gundog training with duibh with his breeder’s mentor who works her dogs… went twice i think – point at which she decided i was being too ‘soft’ and took him off me to show me how to walk him to heel – he did an excited flatcoat bounce into air (which was quite a thing for him as he was always rather depressed at the time  :'( ) and she clobbered him one.  >:( :'( >:D

so no more gundog training…..

yet having looked into it further since i had been told about helen philips at LAD who trains gundogs positively – and then there’s kiz…

so what i’m saying is positive gundog trainers seem from my experience to be in a minority over here too – so maybe you need to dig deeper, post on internet put up ads etc….  🙂

you feel like giving up

my day yesturday
– woke up freezing in tent
– starts raining
– matt burns hand on fat cooking
– go help out
– run dog – dog freeks out at A frame (second obstical) end up walking him A frame and popping him over last fence
– rain gets worse and worse and worse
– tent starts leaking
– Joe electrocutes himself and goes to hospital
– tent soaking – shove it all together – throw everything onto truck
– we go home and have an indoor BBQ
:'( :'( :'(

Fun day at a dog event then  ::) Hope Joe is OK and dad Matt have a drink to thaw out
Val

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you feel like giving up

my day yesturday
– woke up freezing in tent
– starts raining
– matt burns hand on fat cooking
– go help out
– run dog – dog freeks out at A frame (second obstical) end up walking him A frame and popping him over last fence
– rain gets worse and worse and worse
– tent starts leaking
– Joe electrocutes himself and goes to hospital
– tent soaking – shove it all together – throw everything onto truck
– we go home and have an indoor BBQ
:'( :'( :'(
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