Re: cause and effect – conscious choice or not…

[Diesel73]

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and would say he doesn’t necessarily know what he did – he has learnt from reaction of human in past and seeks to avoid that reaction.  😀 so i would say he not looking innocent – he behaving in a way that will usually get a favourable response from the human.  ;D and avoiding the place where the unfavourable response happens\ happened.  😉 

Am giving you little time to rethink this and perhaps change the choise of words, cause i think you say wrong what you mean. See, ‘seeks to avoid’, ‘avoiding the place’…. is anticipating and planning. But you don’t agree that dogs can do that. (Right? Or did that come from someone else?  :-[ )

Anyway, the ability to plan means you got to have some concept, no matter how limited, but some concept of the future.

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sorry, can’t do split quotes so having to do separate posts.

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your dogs want to f*ck their food?   

OR! I said “who said, dog either wants to eat it, f.ck it OR fight it?”.
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yes but you were talking about food.  ;D ;D ;D

fighting food i can understand – have to catch your prey. eating food – yep. but f*cking it….  😀 😀 😀 suppose if it was a veeeeerrry attractive sheep they could be tempted.  😀
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Done having to experience the sight of that, been there with Thor  ::) . Don’t ask, to crazy for words  :-X .