Re: cause and effect – conscious choice or not…

[Diesel73]

😮 You naughty people! Only reading the nauhty pieces of posts  ::) .

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yep we need other peoples views – seems to be a debtae between me and diesel at the moment.  though i think we’re doing quite well, don’t you diesel? 

Yep  :-* . But we going in cirkles now. We need more input. Come on everybody. Just read page 1, Bev’s post, forget everything else and just give your view. Oh and Bev? You welcome to say something too  😉 .

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i agree they have a memory – but why, because they have a memory, does that mean it has to go forward? 

Good question  :-\ , don’t know. I just think it’s so, that if they capable of memory than got to be capable of the oposite too. But i can not explain why.

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Yes – but he has learnt whether it will be pleasurable for him or not by what goes in the suitcase (in a manner of speaking – blowup sheep or two maybe  ) – hence reaction based on past experience.

See, I don’t think he plans to stick to your leg.  i think he is acting on past experience of learnt anxiety from what has happened previously (what goes in suitcase meaning you go without him – past experience) and is sticking close because of that.    Again learning from past and acting in moment rather than planning for future. 

Yes ok, i totaly agree, with every word. But to me – sticking to me, camping in suitcase, bowls come so yeaaaah he’s coming too-..that is knowing what is coming….. in the future.

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Not good at trying to debate, I think dogs are aware of the future but don’t know how to ‘prove’ it. Will have to put son on he can argue black is white

Shove over mam, bring him online, i want that kid here hahahaha  😀 .

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to be honest ive completely lost the thread of this errr thread. Sorry you guys done nothing but confuse me completely  -pretty much given up reading it just skimmed Diesels post and saw the sheep bit – which I felt deserved commenting on  😀
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Read only Bev’s post on page 1  :-* . (pssst you still naughty girl  😛 )