Re: Really like this quote – dominance

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[quote author=kizkiznobite link=topic=12580.msg243183#msg243183 date=1222725967]
yes nick…the biological mother has done her bit because the pack manger could not whelp for whatever reason …that biological mother …unless she is stronger in body and prepared to fight the pack managing female ( at risk as the rest of the pack would fight her too) ….then loses her pups to the pack manager…mum then has a choice…she accepts that or she is excluded or she is killed…as maternal intincts are strong the normal average is that she is killed…
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Can you please give me the source of this information?  I have never heard of a mother being killed in a pack.  Nor is it always the dominant female that whelps.  In “Innocent Killers” by Jane Goodall and Hugo van Lawick, in a pack of wild dogs, the lowest ranking female (of four) gave birth, and the whole pack helped to raise the pups.  Whichever female has the pups, she does not join in the hunt.

[quote author=kizkiznobite link=topic=12580.msg243183#msg243183 date=1222725967]
there is only one main reason why a pack would leave the safety of the den and expose themselves to the big wide dangerous world..and that is to hunt for food..and as the female bossdog is either pregnant, raising, has milk, just post whelp, is pre whelp etc…then she is not physically fit…but her brain is..and she sets them for the hunt…she wakes them and says hey..we need food…she may plan the hunt depending on her level of stamina…as in we take that one because it weak…but it the boyo…her mate that does the heavy stuff…he fitter he stronger he has babes to feed and a pack to earn respect from..to use anthropomorphism….and so he heads the hunt in that sense…a pack is what it is literally…it a PACK…it is a survival mechanism…
in the home? with domestic canines ..a pack is a pack still…copy it and you got it made  🙂
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Again, a source for this please.  From the same book…it is the dominant dog which initiates the “greeting” between the pack, and starts off on the hunt.  The dominant female (whether in pup or not) does not start the hunt.  In fact, there’s no way a bitch with pups can actually plan a hunt as she does not leave the den.  As wild dogs can travel a few miles before they find their prey, the “decision” as to which animal is picked out for the kill can only be taken on the move.