Skin advice please!

[parsonsmum]

I do use Vals Spray…..but not daily :-\ I’ll up the use now though! Do you think there would there be any advantage to Doug seeing a vet ???

[Dree]

Your diet is totally unbalanced.  Your diet consists of 25% Rmb’s, when the diet should consist of at least 50%.  I would put money on that when you balance your dog’s diet, the skin problems will go.  (Believe me, I have seen it quite literally hundreds of times.  And I first saw it in my own dog eighteen years ago.  She started with a spotty belly, and the itch moved to her back, anus, etc.  That’s when I first started feeding a natural diet.)  You are feeding meat, and from what I can see there is no source of B vits, so he is seriously lacking in them.  But he is lacking in a lot of nutrients, imho.  If you want a diet sheet, pm me.  Putting him on Chappie will help simply because it would be far better balanced than what he is being fed now.  You can use topical stuff all you like, but you have to change the diet, and clear it up from the inside.

[SuzAndTheDiva]

I might be inclined to agree if the problems hadnt cleared up – Bev can help mostly with the diet if theres a problem, and i say definately keep up the use of Vals spray

[parsonsmum]

Thank you so much for your responses 🙂 I really need some pointers now as to his diet so that I can get all the neccessary nutrients into him. My second Parson, Jack, has the same diet and although his health is O.K. he is obviously deficient as well 🙁
Dree, I’ve sent you a pm, but not sure if it’s been sent :-\

[Dree]

Yes, just replied to it.  I’m up at 5.30am tomorrow as we have a show, so have to get to bed.  Speak soon.  🙂

[Dree]

[quote author=SuzAndTheDiva link=topic=12485.msg244786#msg244786 date=1223760049]
I might be inclined to agree if the problems hadnt cleared up – Bev can help mostly with the diet if theres a problem, and i say definately keep up the use of Vals spray
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Problems that “clear up” and then reappear haven’t cleared up.  They have simply gone deeper into the dog.  If you continually treat the dog externally, then the “symptoms” go away, but the problem is still there.  Hence the recurrence of skin problems, which is the body’s first sign that all is not well inside. 

[SuzAndTheDiva]

Dree no offence but been there done it – ive read and talked skin till im sick of it.Believe me i KNOW how skin works and exactly how food can affect it  🙂 I still dont think the problem is JUST food. Its probably contributing not disputing that – but fleas are rife right now and making dogs lives a misery everywhere.

[kizkiznobite]

if your other dog had fleas then this one would have been bitten too…as sue said this will have have kicked in an allergy to the bites…the frontline will have also drastically lowered his immune system…and if you have fleas in the house then the house needs doing too….most fleas do not stay on the dogs…and the flea has to bite the dog before the frontline works….yes food will help but you need to deal with the fleas first…then if he was mine i would detox him, immune boost him, and then work on his diet…

[kizkiznobite]

bit confused re the lack of B vits dree.  :-\  chappie has vits added anyway (but meat has B6)…mineral content isnt bad…the quality of the protein would be my concern…

parsonmum….if i understand you correctly you also give spinach and fish in oil yes? so then he would be getting B12 from the fish, B6 from the meat in the chappie and both from the spinach

[parsonsmum]

Yep, I started adding spinach 2 weeks ago, they get tinned sardines in oil once a week instead of the cooked chicken and 1 raw egg with shell once a week.
I’m NOT feeding Chappie now though….just the cooked chicken/brown rice/veg. and raw lamb bones 3-4 times a week.

[kizkiznobite]

Brown rice contains minerals magnesium, manganese, and zinc…all good for skin repair…especially zinc but it does need the carrier of fructose to be really used welll…so i would say some fruit too…pear apple etc also often human grade brown rice is fortified with b vits..check the lable

eggs have vit b1, b2, b6 and  b12

what lamb bones are you giving? how much meat/fat on them?

[parsonsmum]

I get a variety of lamb bones…. leg not much fat, ribs, neck, some other that look like hip sockets ??? others that I don’t know what :-[…but have a lot of fat, which I cut off. Some bones have a fair covering of meat, some weeks not so much.
I use Tesco Brown Wholegrain Rice….label says ..contains thiamin (VitB)

[kizkiznobite]

nooo…don’t cut off the fat hun…. 🙂

[parsonsmum]

Oh O.K….. see I really do seem to be doing all the wrong things! 🙁

[TobyTeaCosy and Angela]

Don’t fret Parsonsmum, you’ll get there and it sounds like you’re not far wrong to me, if I’m right in thinking your other dog is happy and healthy on the same diet then take heart from that!  :-*

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