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November 2, 2008 at 6:51 pm #77925
SuzAndTheDiva
MemberAwww bless you sounds like you been through a lot with her – will be so worth it though promise. Think anyone whos had bevs help will agree that shes wonderful- and everyone wobbles sometimes :ok: :-*
And you better keep us updated 😉
November 2, 2008 at 7:13 pm #77926GSPmad
MemberYou’re doing better than me – I don’t just wobble, I fall off. ;D
Stick with it. :ok: You’ll get her right. 🙂
November 2, 2008 at 7:58 pm #77927Anonymous
GuestHi,
you’re right – everyone wobbles but Meg and you will get there 🙂
Now I have something to tell you and I hope you’ll take it the right way and it will give you hope.
Bev has told me to let you know that my Bonnie was worse than Meg is, she had literally NO social skills with any dog and would just lunge at them barking like crazy right in their face. Every time I went out the house with her it was a mini “mission” to avoid all dogs and all people because I felt so frightened that she’d actually attack someones dog. She would snap and bite at any part she could get to – she was rude, bossy, ignorant and a right c*w!! I couldnt let her off lead or even on a long line for a good while plus she was making my first and absolutely deeply loved dog bl**dy miserable – he got ill as a result was withdrawn and just so unhappy it was just awful.
Fast forward less than a year and I have an appeal come in for a slight little collie girl, i knew her name – was told she was good with other dogs and needed a place to go. Her name is Misty and she was 18mths old, about as dog friendly as an alligator and well … in just 8 weeks Bonnie (and Bev) turned her round from a dog who was actually physically fighting (and getting hurt / doing damage) to a girl who would lay down on my bed grooming bonnie while she was grooming her. I cant put across really in words just how far Bonnie came and how fast she turned Misty round and now she’s helping again with Sammy.
[img width=384 height=468]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/bonnie/bonniebark.jpg[/img]
look at this – weight forward, **** off (and the dog she’s warning off is behind a fence !!!!)this …..
and this …..were shot on the same day – just look at the difference in William ……. why ? because i had better management and more confidence in the 2nd one after a 30 sec convo with Bev !!
She was so resource aggressive I sat in a chair while Bev did “mine yours” with a bone and she was barking and snapping and making a right bleedin scarey racket. She couldnt walk on a lead, she didnt have any manners, she’d get up / in / over etc … everything you didnt want her to she was totally defiant and ate anything vaguely organic (including cut flower food and lilly flower heads and 1/2 a bag of granary bread making flour)
November 2, 2008 at 8:10 pm #77928Anonymous
Guestlooking at those video’s can you imagine how far this dog has come to remain calm in this one ….
[img width=468 height=382]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/th_MOV00342.jpg[/img]
and then for misty to go from that … to this ……..
[img width=468 height=382]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/th_MOV00438.jpg[/img]
in 8 weeks ….
November 2, 2008 at 8:21 pm #77929Anonymous
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this is bonnie after alot of her re-mod with a resource-aggressive, dog-aggressive dog who was in kennels still on the way back from playing “fetch” together.
November 2, 2008 at 8:22 pm #77930Anonymous
Guesthere she is again – her and misty infact … in among loads of doggies – playing ball like nice girls
[img width=468 height=327]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/park1.jpg[/img]
November 2, 2008 at 8:24 pm #77931Anonymous
Guesthere she is again – helping with a “typical terrier” boy (very gratefully re-homed by rescue remedies)
[img width=323 height=468]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/Bertie/BonnieandBertie.jpg[/img]
here she is again sharing nice her ball with my “pup for a night” (on his way to rescue remedies)
[img width=468 height=428]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/Jack%20Jack/caughtintheact.jpg[/img]
November 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm #77932Anonymous
GuestWow Claire that is soo good to see! I know Bonnie was worse than Meg and I’m probably wanting too much too soon! Just can’t see meg ever being that relaxed around other dogs!
Both of mine are shattered after Bev’s session today and i’m enjoying the peace and quiet that that brings!
I love Meg to bits and will never give up on her-would just prefer not to spend the next 15 years or more avoiding situations!
November 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm #77933Anonymous
Guestabout 2 weeks after i got her
she was getting good with wills
[img width=468 height=300]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/swanage/6d5456bd.jpg[/img]but still iiirrrkkkkkkkkk with other dogs – look at her body language tense, tail up, weight forward, right in the other dogs face (who is clearly saying calm down, too much) :-*
November 2, 2008 at 8:43 pm #77934Anonymous
Guestsooo …
Meg sounds to me like a typical border collie girl who hasn’t had proper puppy socialisation, has been with her sibling for far too long (and thus cued off her and not listened to a word humans have said!), and lacks any real adult training / socialisation. She’s been allowed to get the better of her humans in her previous homes by the sounds of it had started walking all over you aswell.
Now, when you agreed to take her on – you were expecting a fully trained sheepdog, what you have is a very typical young female border collie rescue i could show you a hundred just like her and much much worse. So – yes lower your expectations – she’s actually more work than taking on an 8 week puppy would be, take each day as it comes and remember tomorrow is a new day!
Put your trust in Bev’s methods – these pictures are proof that it works for dogs just like your Meg and worse and when I started with Bonnie I didnt have any real dog skills at all, infact i didnt even have the confidence to talk to my own dog in public !!
Bev – you have my permission to release any of my notes onto this thread 🙂
Claire x
November 2, 2008 at 9:43 pm #77935Anonymous
GuestI can second what a cowbag she was :ok: thats my poor Jazzie who only wanted a new friend and a swim :scared:
Keep going I want to read her progress and also to hear you say we met a dog and they played ball in the park off lead
Val[quote author=piglet link=topic=12936.msg248936#msg248936 date=1225657738]
about 2 weeks after i got hershe was getting good with wills
[img width=468 height=300]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/clairewarden/swanage/6d5456bd.jpg[/img]but still iiirrrkkkkkkkkk with other dogs – look at her body language tense, tail up, weight forward, right in the other dogs face (who is clearly saying calm down, too much) :-*

[/quote]November 3, 2008 at 6:25 pm #77936Anonymous
GuestThanks for your support everyone, it really helps knowing that you have all been through similar situations. Posting that last night was really hard as it makes me feel like I have failed her. She is a very special dog and Ollie adores her. She is definately pack manager and we are now promoting that which should make her life easier!
Today was our first day back to reality (I went back to school so early mornings started again) I took Ollie out for his walk and my husband took Meg. i got to the field and played frisbee. bearing in mind all the factors (its dark, first morning in reality without Bev, never walked further than the end of our street in a heal close) I wasn’t expecting ash to get too far before having to abandon the walk and free shape in the house instead! – if she can;t walk nice then she doesnt get the walk!However! On my way home I saw Ash and Meg walking towards me with meg in a heal close!!! I wanted to cry, I was so proud of them both! We did the whole “leave it” so not to have an unsolicited greet and when both dogs were listening we let them greet! Ash then took the frisbee from me and continued his walk!
He said she was a wee shite on the way home but only cos she saw another dog in the distance (who we think she thought was ollie playing in the field), and kept trying to to go back that way!
Anyway, cos it was my first day back at school I filled Kongs (why has no one told me about these magic things before!!!) and left them at home (normally Meg finds ways of entertaining herself). But when I got home the knogs were empty (and hidden!) and the house was in one piece!!
We then did some door practice and Meg had a lightbulb moment!!! She realised that if she budged then the door shut so ended up just staring at me rather than the door!!! With Meg obviously ready to learn I did loads of C2 work in the garden and she even left the ball I was kicking when in a heel close!!! (Thought i’d test her boundries!)
She has just done some freeshaping and chaining with ash and is now sleeping like a baby!
After yesterday I am so much happier and can see the progress!! We took Meg to a park with Ollie and a friends dog yesterday and she was all over the shop! got a bit of good stuff out of her but I really felt like i’d let her down and not put enough into her training. Realise now that the criteria was probably a bit high and she did as well as I could expect!
I will keep you all updated and hope you don’t mind my long posts! It is great just being able to write all this down. I owe a lot to Bev for her time and patience (esp with me) and am looking forward to the road ahead!
Hils
November 3, 2008 at 8:12 pm #77937Anonymous
GuestAlways enjoy lightbulb moments :ok:
November 3, 2008 at 8:56 pm #77938SuzAndTheDiva
Memberreally good well done :yes:
November 3, 2008 at 9:02 pm #77939Anonymous
GuestKeep going I want to read her progress and also to hear you say we met a dog and they played ball in the park off lead
ValHaa ha ha!! I would love to hear myself say that too! Dream come true for her not to take its nose off!
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