Hungarian Wirehaired Vizslas…

[Lucyr]

Does anyone on here know much about them?  General everyday things eg: trainability, socialbility, how are they to live with?

Even though I won’t be adding to my household for a few years I’m really taken by this breed…however i’m not used to Gundogs at all.  I have been brought up with working/guarding breeds but I really fancy a change! 

So I would be really grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction so i can gain abit of knowledge about the Wirehaired Viszlas.

Thanks

Lucy

[Lucyr]

Forgot to add I do show my dogs but if I got a Vizsla I would like to take part in working trials or something similar.  I wanted to do this with my male Rottie but he tore his cruciate so its not an option anymore.

Lucy

[Sweetypye]

there are currently two WHV in Woirking Trials, one in ticket.

They are gundogs, and part of the HPR subgroup (hunt, point and retrieve) which makes them a typical continental pointer, jack of all trades not necessarily master of none though.

They are in my limited experience a little more robust of temperament than the rather sensitive short haired variety (probably due to their GWP content) but not as hard headed as Weims etc.

http://www.hwva.org.uk/view.aspx

[Lisa33]

My friends have one.  She is a lovely little thing but boy does does she have her own mind!!  My friends are training her for gundog work and she is fantasic at it!…….when she wants to do it!! :boooo: 😀

[Sweetypye]

That is what most people forget, HPRs have to have a degree of initiative that retrievers, spaniels and setters/pointers do not, hence they are not for everyone.

If you say jump to an HPR it will not respond “how high” but it will consider whether it is in its best interests or not………….  :agree:

I think HV wire haired or not, are far more biddable than Weims, LMs, GWPs and Brittanies for example as a general rule

[Lucyr]

I definitely don’t mind abit of a challenge…I’ve managed with my Akita and she’s very typical of her breed…’I’ve done it once, why  should I do it again!’

I think it’ll be very interesting and different than having the Rottie’s and Akita but i’m definitely keen!  I have heard the Weims can be quite hard work but even better if the HWV’s are more biddable.

Thanks for answering guys!

[*Nick*]

I have an HPR and will never have anything else for the rest of my life.  They are not idiot-savants they are more Renaissance dogs  ;D

I know what works for us.  If you do go ahead and get one you’ll find it very very different than what you currently have. I had a Terveuren before my HPR so I know what you’ll experience.

I like Vizslas both short and wired and have met many of them. They are a mixed bag. Some confident and pushy, some soft and shy.  They are quick, fast and energetic. They need to run and they need to hunt.  I have also seen a vast difference in sizes. Some the size of Weims, some as small as springers.  Vizslas were reported to be used to establish the Weimararner, the HWV and the GSP and vice versa when the shorthaired V needed to be reestablished.

If I have any advice I would say 2 things:  Don’t overcontrol.  Trust your dog.

[Lucyr]

Thanks everyone, well so far i’ve heard nothing bad about the breed  :happy:

I guess I would prefer a confident, pushy dog (i’m used to this with the Rotts hee hee!) and love that kind of attitude but I would be happy either way.

I’d definitely be fine with a dog that wants to run and hunt, I live in a small town on the very edge of the country side so the dogs have plenty of socialisation in town and also lots of exercise (once old enough) running around private land and fields etc.

Nick…definitely a change from the Terveuren then???  What were the main things you noticed about changing breeds?

I’m taking the ‘don’t overcontrol trust your dog’ comment from you owning a working breed before? ….I feel I always make sure I am one step ahead of my Rottie and Akita whereas i’m guessing you can be slightly different with the HWV’s?

[rona]

I know four WHV quite well, three are the sweetest natured dogs though one is a little noisey at home
all are very biddable and well trained, but one, a full dog, has temperament problems with other dogs and is not at all sociable with humans. I would advise that you be very careful when choosing the breeder as there is obviously a few out there that do not breed for temperament

[Lucyr]

Thank you, i have a long time to research and meet breeders etc but have noted a couple I wouldn’t go to and one i’m quite interested in.

Ideally I would like a dog that can run off lead with other dogs up the field as I am used to this with my Rottie’s and mums GSD’s which all have great temperaments.

I guess its the same in all breeds, if I was looking for another Rott I would know exactly where to go but as this is a new breed and not one that anyone I know has I will be doing alot of breeder searching.

[*Nick*]

[quote author=Lucyr link=topic=13030.msg251289#msg251289 date=1226568463]

Nick…definitely a change from the Terveuren then???  What were the main things you noticed about changing breeds?

I’m taking the ‘don’t overcontrol trust your dog’ comment from you owning a working breed before? ….I feel I always make sure I am one step ahead of my Rottie and Akita whereas i’m guessing you can be slightly different with the HWV’s?
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Yes, a big change from the Terv.  In my experience completely different drives.  My Terv I taught to sit in 3 minutes, recall in 2 days, down in 5 minutes…in fact I don’t think I really taught him any of these things, he just knew what I wanted. It was a little spooky actually  ;D  He was also over-protective and dog-aggressive and I didn’t have the knowledge or skill to fix either of those unfortunate traits.

My Blue is another story. With an HPR it’s all about the nose. She is very trainable but for very differnt reasons. It’s as if she’ll ‘accept’ a command if she feels it will help her reach her goal of finding birds or fur. She finds it confusing to be told to sit if she sees no reason to.  She’ll do it, but finds it a waste of time  ;D  What works for us is chaining commands together, this keeps her interested.  The great joy of this type of dog for me is just watching her work. Letting her run.  However, I can only do this because we’ve spent a year on training a reliable recall. It’s very good now, but we keep upping the ante.

I try to stay one step ahead of her, but since I can’t scent like she can, I can only know so much about what she’ll do next. 

Remember, Vizslas are proper hunting dogs. That doesn’t mean you have to hunt, but they do. Encourage it, let them use their instincts and don’t micro-manage.

Really hope you get one. No idea on UK breeders, I know a couple in Canada though  😀

[Sweetypye]

The HWHV club can point you in the direction of reputable breeders; having a GSD after having 4 Weims I would say the main difference between their outlook on life is that GSDs, BSDs etc are far more handler dependant than HPRs are, so for example to give an extreme picture.

If I opened the door of my car I could let my Weims out who would be 4 fields away before I shut it and be quite happy to hunt and barely acknowledge my existence, whereas my GSD needs me to play with……… 😀

[GSPmad]

[quote author=Sweetypye link=topic=13030.msg251189#msg251189 date=1226514622]
If you say jump to an HPR it will not respond “how high” but it will consider whether it is in its best interests or not………….  :agree:
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oh yes….

or ‘can i get that bit of liver without having to bother jumping at all – what is easier and might work?’  >:D

[*Nick*]

Thought the op might want to look at this site

http://www.falcongreengundogs.eu/falcongreen.htm

[Lucyr]

What a great website…thanks Nick!

So far with my research and questions to different people I’m getting more and more drawn to this breed…definitely one for me in a few years!

Lucy

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