Needed or not needed ?

[kerrie and stan]

[quote author=*Lassie* link=topic=12965.msg249370#msg249370 date=1225833068]
Pity the money that will be spent on this ‘guide’ won’t be spent on something better such as keeping the streets clean of broken glass ::)
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i agree :-\

[SuzAndTheDiva]

[quote author=GSPmad link=topic=12965.msg249462#msg249462 date=1225884755]
so you don’t see the point educating people.  ::) yes the leaflet would be better than what they watch on tv…. and legislation has to start somewhere… one can only hope that it starts here and moves on to areas where it can make a big difference.

why don’t you do something instead of moaning if you think what’s being done isn’t working…. or do you just prefer moaning and disagreeing with me? least i am broad minded enough to think about the possible benefits and the areas it can expand to….
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Dont push me Terry. Im posting my point of view not just ‘disagreeing with you’

I do stuff everyday i got to work – I educate every single owner I come in contact with, you dont know anything about what i do or dont do to try and change things, so dont comment on what you dont know. I am the last person to sit back and moan, and being broadminded has led me to be the dog owner i am today – not the one i was three years ago.

The guide will no doubt contain some useful information – plus tons of rubbish, it wont be education, it will be what they think people need to know – ie neutering dogs at 12 weeks or vaccinations once ayear when every three years is more than sufficent. Thats my problem with this sort of thing. It will be full of the same stuff pet owners get rammed down their throat by vets and other ‘professionals’ and times are changing and this leaflet will almost certainly not take into account those changes.

[GSPmad]

[quote author=SuzAndTheDiva link=topic=12965.msg249513#msg249513 date=1225915957]
[quote author=GSPmad link=topic=12965.msg249462#msg249462 date=1225884755]
so you don’t see the point educating people.  ::) yes the leaflet would be better than what they watch on tv…. and legislation has to start somewhere… one can only hope that it starts here and moves on to areas where it can make a big difference.

why don’t you do something instead of moaning if you think what’s being done isn’t working…. or do you just prefer moaning and disagreeing with me? least i am broad minded enough to think about the possible benefits and the areas it can expand to….
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Dont push me Terry. Im posting my point of view not just ‘disagreeing with you’

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Excuse me? You are the one doing the pushing…. I am posting my point of view – and your response is to ‘have a go’…..

[SuzAndTheDiva]

Where exactly am I ‘having a go’?

[Kerry_and_Beau]

this thread is going to get locked again! just like so many others of recent days, it was a simple debate post and it becomes personal every time….

in my opinion to the post i agree with everyone to an extent to Terry as i agree its is a simple step in the sort of right direction, how they get this over to people or its exact contents maybe a bit crap but with time and education in the ‘changing times’ it may end up a good source…

and i also agree that more money should be spent on clearing glass or more to the point with dealing with the tits that go our disrpt people and get drunk on the streets and smash the bottles in the first place…but this is something they are apprently slow to look at  ::)

also on the point of information sources, i don’t know where you live Suz but the libraries in the whole of cumbria don’t own any decent informative animal books i know cos i have looked for my course  :yes: and i agree to an extent that people who have had animals in their family all their lives may not realise they are doing stuff wrong and if they sit and watch dog borstal and mr milan then they probably won’t learn to do much better  :nono:

maybe we can all chill a little and see what other people think?

[travis]

Any education is better than nothing,have to say I live in the middle of puppyfarm territory ,the pups from these puppyfarms are far from cheap,there were Cavalier’s and Scotties adverised in the local paper last week,each being sold for £750 from the same breeder.

[*Nick*]

I think it’s a good thing. Any information will be helpful. It’s shocking how many pet owners do zero research and don’t have a clue about an animals needs.

Ity would be nice if it wasn’t needed but I’m afraid it is.

and don’t worry about the gov’t wasting ‘your’ money…if they don’t waste it here they’ll waste it someplace else.

[kizkiznobite]

http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Health-Promotion-Drives-Waste-Money–Claim-Nurses-9514-1/

this is my view on gov. campaigns

the folk that read the info are the folk that already care…those that dont or wont will not take it on board ….or wont read stuff anyway…( i smoke for heavens sake…regardless of how many leaflets and warning on fag packets i see)….i produce leaflets and leave all over as do many of us that actually work with dogs and i try and reach the kids and younger generation…hence falkor having so many sit down and take a bow cues hence cubert going to school…in MHO thats the only hope  ..get them while they prepared to learn because many adults seem to have lost the ability or think they know it all already

[Kerry_and_Beau]

i think thats one of the problems its a 2 part problem, a) the contents have to be well informed and accurate and incorporate changing views and b) how they get it accross to people…i am all for there being specific groups that go into junior schools and educate from there, i don’t see how there can be enough change otherwise…the only other way is tv getting celebrities educated and in people’s faces…just don’t see that happening as it would all go off on a tangent probably.

[Anonymous]

Hi,

i just wanted to add something – as i am doing an essay on health belief’s, whole models have been developed around why people arent rational and dont do the sensible thing 😉

time after time the best results come from taking the highest “risk” groups and doing intervention and education on a 1:1 or low ration group basis.  this is probably why when she gets a mangled mess of a dog suz talking through things customer by customer has a better effect than something like posting a leaflet through our doors might.  in the same way, any responsible knowledgeable person that dog owners come into contact with could do this – vets, groomers, pet shop owners, and all of us !

I was in PAH a couple of weeks ago and a lady was deciding which kong to buy for her staffie puppy – she’d been told to get one but not why, which one or what to put in it so I put her right and she was happy to listen – here’s hoping thats one less staffie puppy destined for rescue then 🙂  I was in mothercare last weekend and there was a couple with a 9mth old baby in there and they were twittering excitedly about getting him a “big boy” car seat but after reading to death the info were still confused about what to go for an upto 4yrs or up til 11yrs.  I said see my little boy there he’s 2 1/2 he’s so slim and teeny that he didnt come out of the baby seat your son has grown out of at 9mths until 14mths … and now we are having to buy ANOTHER seat because the same boy who hasnt grown like a beanstalk or anything now will not fit in the up to 4yrs seat – oh and i’d buy one of them we have them for the other car and they’re fab.  I bet you they bought the one we had – because desipte having all that info not being able to make a choice was stopping them from moving on.  Pure education isnt everything in some cases it can confound but to be aware of the options is better than to be ignorant 🙂

Claire.

[SuzAndTheDiva]

[quote author=kizkiznobite link=topic=12965.msg249652#msg249652 date=1225968891]
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Health-Promotion-Drives-Waste-Money–Claim-Nurses-9514-1/

this is my view on gov. campaigns

the folk that read the info are the folk that already care…those that dont or wont will not take it on board ….or wont read stuff anyway…( i smoke for heavens sake…regardless of how many leaflets and warning on fag packets i see)….i produce leaflets and leave all over as do many of us that actually work with dogs and i try and reach the kids and younger generation…hence falkor having so many sit down and take a bow cues hence cubert going to school…in MHO thats the only hope  ..get them while they prepared to learn because many adults seem to have lost the ability or think they know it all already
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Is pretty much what i was trying to say  🙂

Claire your spot on – though sometimes even when im telling someone what they doing right/wrong where grooming is concerned, they still arnt listening – well they listening but they not hearing in my opinion – those people i could say the same thing till im blue in the face – they dont want to know. Others however just need the correct source they WANT to learn and they will listen when everythings explained. But even with those who DO want to learn, sometimes hearing it is better than being told to read something – being shown something is better than having pictures explain it……..hope im making sense.  🙂

[Mudgie]

dont want to go off topic so will post in gossip

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